pricedo wrote:A range session with that light rifle shooting that ammo must rattle the ball joints in the shoulders.
Not bad at all. The Casull is well stocked with the shape of the butt and pad, pretty much identical to their RG4570. Shooting the R92 357 Mag after the Casull was like shooting a BB gun until I was a little sloppy with the shoulder fit and then that square, steel butt plate cracked the heck out of my shoulder joint, still hurts this morning![hr][/hr]On the subject of the 45-70 Govt., I thought I would also offer some comparisons with between the R92 454 Casull and my RG4570. Before the charts I would like to note that I only load my RG4570 to 35.0 KPSI, this rifle is not a Marlin 1895. Comparing the two, Rossi to Marlin, is an apple to orange comparison with respect to the information I offer below.[hr][/hr]
Weight of the Rifles
I do think the R92 454 and RG4570 is an apple to apple performance comparison when the weight of the firearm is used as the base. My R92 weighs exactly 7.14 pounds, the RG4570 exactly 7.18 pounds.
Rossi lists a weight for my R92-68011, which is a 20" round barrel carbine, at 5.0 pounds making for quite a differnce. My rifle has become a "Scout" with the addition of the Rossi base with the epoxy to hold it down (1.3 ounces), the Weaver Quad Lock rings (2.4), the Weaver K4 Scout Scope (6.9), and the Rossi Synthetic Cheek Piece (3.2) but it was no where close to the catalog weight. Box of the box, my rifle weighed
6.28#. As a comparison my R92-56001, the 357 Mag, out of the box weighed 6.15#. I do not know where Rossi comes up with the 5# for the carbine as the average weight of all six of my R92s out of the box is 6.2#.
On the other hand, the catalog lists the RG4570 at 7# but my rifle was 6.28# out of the box and with the Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5X32 scope and Quad Lock Rings it weighs 7.18# I keep very detailed records of my work. Adding a full magazine tube either rifle plus one in the chamber results in a weight gain of .1#.[hr][/hr]
Performance Comparisons
This is a comparison using just my bullets and loads for my R92 454 and my RG4570B. Everything is actual performance except the 454's TLC452-330-RF. The projections for the others where quite accurate so I expect the same with the new bullet. Clicking on the charts will open a larger image.
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[hr][/hr]I'm not trying to draw any conclusions just walking through this looking at my rifles in detail. They each are very nice rifles delivering a terrific punch. The 45-70 Govt has a bit more utility when it comes to bullets but if you are buying reloading components your powder needs in feeding it are dramatically reduced. I actually feel that they are quite comparable in performance and don't believe the critter, any critter, is going to be able to measure it.