"Restricted" Parts?

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"Restricted" Parts?

Postby shadowdn5 » 25 Oct 2012 22

Contacted Braztech/Rossi on Monday 10-22-12 and the courteous tech person took my CC# & sold me the "Ranch Hand" lever ($75.00). My search was over, or so I thought...Tuesday the same tech support person calls back to say the "Ranch Hand" lever is "restricted" for sale and they would be cancelling my order! I called back to plead for an exception, but a different operator at Braztech echoed the "restricted" part company line. Bottom Line: No large loop lever! I did not have a "Ranch Hand" Serial # and wonder if this kicked out my order? Any advice?
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby Ranch Dog » 25 Oct 2012 22

You could try again with a serial number, I'm not sure why the lever was "restricted" but I do not know a think about the rules these arms are manufactured under.

The place to find a serial number, model and finish, is gunbroker. Most listings do not cover them up. I'm doing the same search right now for my R92 480 Ruger. No hope of finding the Ruger chambering but looking for a blue, rather than stainless, 454 Casull so I can call and get some screws.
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby shadowdn5 » 25 Oct 2012 23

Thanks RanchDog will grab a serial # and try again tomorrow! :D
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby akuser47 » 26 Oct 2012 12

It is non combat weapon and is not restricted by import laws that I have ever heard of on our end. Maybe in brazille they have export laws on levers, though they can import the guns? LoL I would even call distributers and see how soon and if maybe they can get you one maybe you need to be an importer by some new fangled law that has passed to get these. It would not shock me if there is a law from import on these parts. lol
Keep us informed on how you end up getting one what you find out as well so that it will ad to our knowledge on this site.
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby Pepe Ray » 26 Oct 2012 13

Consider this.
The Ranch Hand is NOT considered a rifle by the BATFE.
Hand guns ie. pistols, revolvers, single shots under 16" are all sold under a different set of regulations from rifles.
It's not unreasonable to assume that their parts fall in the same catagory.
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby Hobie » 28 Oct 2012 18

Pepe Ray wrote:Consider this.
The Ranch Hand is NOT considered a rifle by the BATFE.
Hand guns ie. pistols, revolvers, single shots under 16" are all sold under a different set of regulations from rifles.
It's not unreasonable to assume that their parts fall in the same catagory.
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Maybe so for Brazil but not in the US so far as I know. Parts is parts not complete guns.
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby Doc_Floyd » 08 Apr 2013 12

I had a similar response with a SS lever on my 45-70 that has a casting defect. They would repair the weapon - if restored to its original condition, i.e. remove the Skinner sights, put the rear sight back on, etc. but would not examine the finger lever, ascertain there is a defect and then send one to me. Staff expressed the contention they would not send these parts to gunsmiths, and certainly not to consumers, as they are "restricted" by policy. This has the feel of some legal advice to avoid a lawsuit - advice which is ill founded.

In followup, I talked with a supervisor, and sent a letter to the Dir. Customer Relations, as well as the COO of RossiUSA - they haven't responded. The logic doesn't follow, as their costs in maintaining a fleet of gunsmiths far exceeds the costs of merely charging the customer and sending the part out.
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby Model 52 » 08 Apr 2013 14

I could see where they would restrict certain Ranch Hand parts, like the short barrel, stock and butt plate to prevent someone from assembling a pistol on a rifle receiver.

Of course, it's a little stupid as someone not able to legally own a pistol could still cut down a regular Model 92 large loop carbine like the R9257006 and get to the same place. But we are dealing with attorneys here, not people who deal in common sense. They will instead give the most conservative advice possible, such as "don't sell any Ranch Hand parts" - even if they are parts common to other models.
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby Arktikos » 08 Apr 2013 15

I'm thinking this has nothing to do with the Ranch Hand being classified as a hand gun because others have ran into the same roadblocks with the Rossi rifles too. With many parts often either they need a serial # or the gun must be shipped back so they can install it. Even the Taurus tang sight I seem to remember them asking for a serial # before they would sell and over on Rimfire board they had s/n's posted for use in ordering sights. To me this issue of parts availability from Rossi, plus general lack of parts from aftermarket sources or even OEM parts from outfits like Brownells or Numrich is what, even more than the QC issues, casts a shadow over the Rossi line. I have this idea of survival here in my area should the great supply chains be cut that includes having extra parts for guns on hand, but the only way I can see doing that with Rossi is to buy rifles in pairs
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Re: "Restricted" Parts?

Postby pricedo » 08 Apr 2013 16

By "restricted" I think Braztech was referring to their own company policy and not legal constraints pursuant to any jurisdictional body of law.
Bottom line...........they just don't want to send you certain parts.
No doubt acting on their legal departments advice.
Alotta lawyers I met and have dealt with on a professional basis are the scrubbed & polished (absolutely no dirt under those fingernails :evil: ) & very snooty "superior" liberal anti-gun type (even though they sometimes work for gun companies) and will throw obstacles in the way of acquisition of guns or gun parts whenever and wherever they can.
We think we need guns but they being lawyers and therefore superior to the common "redneck rabble" need to protect society from us and our "bare wire" primitive instincts.
I have to deal with their gibberish just about any time I submit a set of plans for approval and they can sure expand a project time line.
I don't imagine things are much different for engineers working for gun manufacturing companies.
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