NOE 360-180 for the 360 Dan Wesson

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Re: NOE 360-180 for the 360 Dan Wesson

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Mine were RF with two crimp grooves and one lube groove.
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Re: NOE 360-180 for the 360 Dan Wesson

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Yep, I screw up.

I see that now about the crimp and grease grooves. I never even thought to look at it that close and just ordered the one on sale to get the discount.
I ordered it this morning so maybe it has not left there store yet.

I would just take it but as hard of a time as I had getting the RF to feed because of its wide meplat, I do not think that I could get a wider meplat to work at all. Plus I like the two crimp grooves so that I can load it long in 357 brass.

I have a message in to NOE, hopefully They can change it.
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Re: NOE 360-180 for the 360 Dan Wesson

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Okie44 and GasGuzzler,

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
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Re: NOE 360-180 for the 360 Dan Wesson

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Okie did it. I bet it will work out.
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Re: NOE 360-180 for the 360 Dan Wesson

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You brought it to my attention too by putting that RF in bold print.
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Re: NOE 360-180 for the 360 Dan Wesson

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Ya learn something every day!

A couple of days ago I was trying to get this LONG 360 cartridge to feed through my rossi a little better, because it was not cycling through like it ought to 100% of the time. Several times, it would jam going from the carrier to the chamber. If I relaxed the pressure on the lever a little while jammed, then the round would jump up through the guides, and go on in.

I worked on the guides and the ejector. The carrier, and tried loading the bullets a little deeper. I thought that I had it, as I could slowly cycle 7 rounds through OK. I did this 5 or 6 times without a hitch.........

So I give it a try today and I could not make one go through to save my life. It was very puzzling but I finally remembered that I was doing it slow before, and I was trying it at a more normal speed today! Speeding up the cycle rate did not give the round time to jiggle the little bit that it needed to get up on top of the guides. I slowed down, and it went to working again. That wont work in a situation where your hunting and attention is elsewhere and not on the gun.

So I looked at it for a while and did not really see anything else that I could do to help but maybe shorten the OAL, which I do not want to do as LONG, is the whole reason for going with the 360 in the first place. I COULD, do away with that wide nosed bullet and go with one with a smaller meplat. That would fix it for sure but there again, I have a mold on the way for this bullet and I want to stick with the big meplat for it's hunting benefits. To prove that idea, I tried some of my keith 170 SWC bullets (358-429) and they went right into the chamber without so much as a bobble, even at an OAL of 1.785"!!! Getting them from the magazine tube to the carrier was not easy though and would take a lot more work trimming and fiddling(not gonna do that!)

That made me look at the wide nose again knowing that the nose is only one part of the whole feeding issue thing. Because in these guns there are four areas that all have to be "in tolerance?" for a round to make it all the way home and the bolt close.

1 Nose of the bullet touching the top of the chamber.

2 bottom of the case right behind the crimp touching the chamber mouth on the bottom

3 bottom of the case where it rest on the carrier while in the up most position (this actually helps to raise the rear of the cartridge as it moves forward)

4 and where the rim slides up the wings on the ejector.

I had worked on numbers 1, 3, and 4 till I was sick of it, and wondering why I started this "360 venture" in the first place. But I had not thought about number 2 at all because I was putting a good heavy roll crimp on them like I do with almost everything I load except for semi auto pistols. And that has always worked before. But this round was so long that it was hitting the chamber mouth pretty hard, and there was no wiggle room in any of those four spots so that the round could move a tad in one direction or the other to allow it to slip forward just a millimeter or two so that the rim could come up and get on top of the guides.

HUMMMMMM. I put my 9mm taper crimp die in the press and screwed it down till it touched a loaded round, then tightened it maybe an eight of a turn more and tried it. That crimped the case a little but I brought it down another eight and tried it again. This looked like it crimped it enough to make a difference in how that portion of the round would contact the chamber mouth. So I loaded a few done this way into the mag and gave it a try. They seemed to JUMP from the carrier to the chamber without the slightest hesitation!!!
Good Grief. All that work I had been doing and all I need to do was taper crimp them that little bit, GOOD GRIEF!
I can now cycle them slow, or fast, or anything in between! Wide flat nose .360s @ 1.735" , 357s at any length I want and ANY bullet shape, and 38 specials at 1.5". 38s might work even shorter, but this is the length that my loaded stuff was at.

So next time we have someone with a 357 loading issue, where the cartridge is hanging up moving from the carrier to the chamber. And the fellow is a reloader but does not want to take the gun apart. Lets try to remember to suggest they try a taper crimp.
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Re: NOE 360-180 for the 360 Dan Wesson

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Good idea. I thought it was mentioned before but not with the 9mm die (that I have :))
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