HSM Bear Load

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HSM Bear Load

Postby lovemytrapper » 04 Dec 2015 19

New question on previously asked subject. Hoping i didn't screw up, bought 2 boxes of 325 grain HSM bear load, the description was all about the type of pistols NOT to shoot them with, would it be a bad idea to use them in my 16 inch R92 45 colt trapper rifle? I'll insert Cabellas link, plz help before i shoot them.
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http://www.cabelas.com/product/HSM-Bear ... Id=2958016
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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby TinMan » 04 Dec 2015 22

Don't know about your trapper but I find it curious that the BH is on the approved list but the RH is not....but it seems to be a fairly good price.

"This 45 Long Colt® ammunition is for use ONLY in the Ruger®
Blackhawk (including the ORIGINAL Ruger Vaquero (pre 2005) and Ruger
Bisley version of the Blackhawk), the Thompson/Center
Contender, or any firearm chambered in 454 Casull or 460
S&W.

It is NOT suitable for the Colt Single Action Army, Colt
Cowboy, Colt Anaconda, Ruger Redhawk, Ruger New Vaquero (Post-2004),
Taurus Judge, any Smith and Wesson revolvers including the
Governor, or vintage firearms.""
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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby GasGuzzler » 04 Dec 2015 22

GO BLACKHAWK YAY


Those Redhawks have so many moving parts and stuff....and cost a lot too...

If an original Vaq and a BH will handle it I'd bet you're fine but we know very little about factory loaded ammo in most cases.
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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby mr surveyor » 04 Dec 2015 23

just a wild guess concerning the RedHawk ..... in the early years of introduction of the RedHawk, several individual copies had barrels blow off ... the RedHawk seemed to develop a reputation for being poorly designed and weak. To salvage the goal of marketing a "built like a tank" big bore double action revolver, Ruger came up with the Super Red Hawk ... to supposedly remedy the (actually non-existent) barrel to frame issue of the Red Hawk. It was discovered some time later that there was actually no design problem with the Red Hawk, rather an inadvertent mix-up with the lube that was used on the barrel threads during factory assembly. Totally wrong lube used on a number of Red Hawks and the stress of installing the barrels to frames with inadequate lube lead to a few broken guns. The problem was discovered and remedied, but the memory of the failures will probably plague Ruger forever. This may be at the crux of the recommendation to not use a certain big bang ammo in a Red Hawk. Me, I'd trust the Red Hawk (those manufactured after the long ago manufacturing issue) to handle anything the Black Hawk or especially the Vaquero could handle. But, that's just me ;)


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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby Okie44 » 04 Dec 2015 23

Head scratcher for sure. Garrett Cartridges Inc. offers heavy loaded 45 Colt loads for RedHawks only. 405 gr @ 1,250 from a 7 1/2" barrel is serous power. Maybe too much fun! :mrgreen:


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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby GasGuzzler » 05 Dec 2015 06

My above comment was mostly facetious as a SA man myself. :lol:








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(Original Vaqero and BH same frame size right?)
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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby lovemytrapper » 05 Dec 2015 07

I saw buffalo bore has heavy loads too.been told r92 can handle all their stuff so I'm gonna assume it's the same story. If you see me in the news you'll know I was wrong .....LOL
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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby Missionary » 05 Dec 2015 20

Greetings
I am surprised there is no Dan Wesson info... yes or no ?? DW revolvers are still some of the strongest double action ever made. Maybe because they are long out of production. I have a 45 Colt and that big brute will digest some heavy loads.
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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby KG4570 » 23 Feb 2016 17

I am looking at the 430 grain HSM Bear Load for my 45/70 Rio Grande. The load is rated as a +P load and I am curious if anyone has experience using it in their 45/70 Rio Grande? I am aware that Buffalo Bore lists the majority of their 45/70 Magnum loads as ok in the RG but it is not available in Canada. As such I am looking at available cartridges and the HSM Bear Load 430 grain is available.

I contacted HSM who in turn referred me to contact Rossi. The Rossi rep stated that you cannot use Buffalo Bore, HSM Bear Load or any other +P load in the Rio Grande and you should only use new SAAMI approved loads. I presume this is a legal liability statement from Rossi since Buffalo Bore clearly states their loads are ok in the RG. In any event I would like to know more about the Pressures generated by the HSM 430grain Bear Load and any information on the Rio Grande in terms of Max Pressure Ratings and what pressures they Proof Barrels at?

Any input or advice would be appreciated, thanks!
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Re: HSM Bear Load

Postby mr surveyor » 23 Feb 2016 21

I don't think any firearms manufacturer would suggest use of anything beyond SAAMI spec ammunition ... and very few cartridges have an approved "+P" SAAMI Spec rating. If there was in fact a SAAMI spec for a particular cartridge, and the firearm was "rated", it's usually either marked on the barrel or in the owners manual.

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